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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Feb 1, 2014 1:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe '72 Overdubs

Good ears and good work, man!

As LIA said above, the list would need to include edits (such as Phil's solo on TOO from DP1) and it should also include those releases where there is different track sequencing from the original performance (again, like DP1). In fact, in the Compendium John Dwork gave a very positive assessment of DP1 but did lament the fact that they didn't provide the original setlist/order in the liners. At least for DaP6 they did tell how to sequence the tracks back to the original.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Feb 1, 2014 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe '72 Overdubs

Could you go into more detail about this? I dont know anything about cuts in DP 1 or 6

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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Feb 1, 2014 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe '72 Overdubs

Absolutely. First off, what Pat said. Also, check out the AUD which is, more or less, the show in its entirety:

https://archive.org/details/gd73-12-19.aud.clugston.8602.sbeok.shnf

You can see that the order of the tracks has been somewhat resequenced, certain tunes have been omitted, and that, most notably, Phil's solo from 'The Other One' has been excised. John Dwork provided the entry for this show in Vol. 1 of the Tape Trader's Compendium and he writes about this issue a little bit there. You can also check out LIA's excellent essay on Dick Latvala, where he writes:

'After the first Dick’s Pick, though, fans had to wait a long time for the second one, which didn’t come out until ’95. The main delay came from Phil Lesh, who was being his picky self about the live releases. (He had asked, for instance, that his bass solo be omitted from 12/19/73.)'

http://deadessays.blogspot.com.tr/2011/02/dick-latvala.html

But I should say that I only know this from reading, not listening. Listening for these things, like you have done, is no small feat!

As for the other part of your question, I was referring to Dave's Picks 6, not Dick's Picks 6, and I only wanted to draw attention to the fact that here they do indeed inform us that the tracks from the '69 show have been somewhat resequenced so that the continuity of the jams could be preserved (and it may also have helped to keep the release limited to 3 CDs) and, to which, I say fair enough.

Of course, with some of these recently returned '69-'71 mystery tapes it could be that they're not releasing the shows in their entirety (for whatever reason) and it would certainly be nice to know as much about the original setlist as possible. In the liner notes they could easily state something along the lines of, for example, 'we omitted song x because the sound quality was beyond salvaging' or 'this setlist looks rather truncated for the period so it probably doesn't represent the entirety of the evening's performance but it's all we got and all we know' or 'while no known setlist of this performance has previously circulated we believe that this represents the evening's complete performance'.

Take care.




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Poster: Pat Buzby Date: Feb 2, 2014 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe '72 Overdubs

There is also the SBD/AUD matrix of 12-19-73 where they have left part of Let It Grow as AUD only because of the issue I mentioned. About 20 seconds of the Playing In The Band jam was lost in a reel flip but of course this was not patched.

https://archive.org/details/gd1973-12-19.126124.mtx.dusborne.droncit.flac16

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Feb 1, 2014 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe '72 Overdubs

Very interesting. Yea the only way I find them is by the time I know two versions of a song well enough to say... wait a minute!

Truckin from DP 18 also has a patch from 1/31/78 Truckin a few minutes in. Its a flawless transition which was really tough to determine the beginning and end of the patch. In fact, Im not sure if I ever put it on wikipedia because i couldnt determine it. Either way its not there.

So...
DP 1 - Phil Solo (TOO)
DP 20 - Eyes
DP 28 - Morning Dew and Eyes
DP 36 - FOTD
Winterland 73 Box - Morning Dew

anything else?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 1, 2014 5:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe '72 Overdubs

It was discussed here a while ago that the 5/13/77 Goin' Down the Road on the May '77 box was completely replaced by the 6/8/77 GDTRFB that was already on the Winterland '77 box!

https://archive.org/post/938099/same-version-different-dates-wtf-is-going-on-here